Dr. Doris Day on Menopause, Collagen, and Rebuilding Skin from Within
Dermatologist Dr. Doris Day joins Dr. Vonda Wright to explain why skin can lose up to 30% of its collagen in the first five years after menopause. The conversation moves from estrogen receptors and UVA damage to the mTOR pathway, and lands on a practical, low-fuss philosophy: protein, strength training, sun protection, sleep, and a few consistent skincare steps.
Overview
Dr. Doris Day, a board-certified dermatologist and NYU clinical associate professor, frames the skin as the body's largest contiguous organ and one of its most telling. As estrogen falls in perimenopause and menopause, estrogen receptors in the skin decline while the brain competes for whatever estrogen remains, so skin changes often appear before brain fog. She explains that UVA rays reach the layer where collagen lives and drive enzymes that break it down, and that skin can lose roughly 30% of its collagen in the first five years post-menopause, then about 2% per year.
Rather than chasing the fullness of youth, Day argues for balance and 'a different beautiful,' shaped by changing bone and fat structure. Her at-home levers are unglamorous but consistent: high-quality protein, strength training that also builds facial and skeletal support, hydration inside and out, and a simple routine of vitamin C and sunscreen by day, a retinoid and moisturizer by night.
She dives into the mTOR pathway, describing how TORC1 can get stuck 'on' at menopause and how selectively calming it helped exhausted 56-year-old fibroblasts behave like 23-year-old ones in her research. On hormones, she is a vocal advocate for menopause hormone therapy and is studying topical estradiol. Her closing rapid-fire is refreshingly plain: hydration first, retinoids, sleep quality, sun protection above all, and consistency over perfection.
Key quotes
5Nothing looks more beautiful in your 50s than sun protection in your 20s.
I don't want you to just look better, I want you to be better.
You're not less beautiful with age, you're a different beautiful.
Sugar is basically poison for the skin.
56-year-old fibroblasts became 23-year-old fibroblasts.
Key ideas
9Skin is often the first clue of perimenopause
Breakouts, dryness, itchy skin and other non-specific changes frequently appear before a formal diagnosis. Day says she often tells patients they're in perimenopause based on their skin.
The brain outcompetes the skin for estrogen
As estrogen falls, receptors in the skin decrease while brain receptors increase to grab what's left. By the time brain fog shows up, the skin has been estrogen-depleted for years.
UVA rays reach where collagen lives
UVA makes up about 90% of the rays reaching Earth and penetrates to the collagen layer, raising matrix metalloproteinases that break collagen down. Damage takes 20-30 years to show.
The collagen math after menopause
Skin can lose up to 30% of its collagen in the first five years post-menopause, then roughly 2% per year. After the 30s the focus shifts to collagen protection and repair over production.
Beauty is balance, not restored fullness
Bone resorption widens the eye socket and shrinks the jawline, so over-filling cheeks throws the face off balance. Restoring proportion looks more authentic than chasing a 20s face.
Facial posture can reset your resting face
Day teaches patients to lift from the ears rather than the brow and to hold a deliberate 'new neutral,' countering the downward pull of bone change with trained muscle.
The skin's estrogen receptors are beta type
Skin carries estrogen beta receptors while reproductive organs carry alpha; they compete for the same estrogen. Topical estradiol may let skin receptors grab some, though the benefit is still being studied.
mTOR's TORC1 gets stuck 'on' at menopause
TORC1 governs cell turnover and TORC2 governs repair. When TORC1 stays on, fibroblasts are pushed to constant turnover without recovery, exhausting the cells that build collagen.
Selective TORC1 inhibition rejuvenated fibroblasts
In her research a selective TORC1-inhibiting serum cut TORC1 activity by about 85%, and 56-year-old fibroblasts behaved like 23-year-old ones with improved collagen output.
Practical takeaways
7- 1
Build from the inside out 21:00
Prioritize high-quality protein and strength training; building muscle supports both the skeleton and collagen in the skin.
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Practice a 'new neutral' in the mirror 24:30
Use a magnifying mirror to find and hold a relaxed, non-drooping resting expression and to lift from the ears rather than the forehead.
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Treat sugar and alcohol as occasional 37:30
Skin is highly sensitive to inflammation from sugar and alcohol, and recovery margin shrinks with age; make sweets a controlled treat rather than a daily habit.
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Keep skincare simple 53:30
A few morning steps (rinse, vitamin C, sunscreen) and a few night steps (cleanse, retinoid, moisturizer) beat a 10-step routine; sun protection is number one.
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Prioritize quality sleep 54:30
Aim for 7.5-8 hours with enough deep and REM sleep; poor sleep shows in the face because tired muscles let it drag.
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Consistency beats perfection 55:10
The women who age most powerfully exercise, eat, and sleep well most of the time. Nobody has to be perfect, just good most of the time.
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Consider ingestible collagen as building blocks 52:30
Hydrolyzed collagen is digested down to building blocks that can put your own collagen synthesis a few steps ahead, and Day reports seeing a difference in patients.
Topics & chapters
15Cold open: what menopause does to skin
A rapid preview of collagen loss, estrogen receptors, and the levers that help.
Welcome and why skin matters
Dr. Vonda Wright introduces Dr. Doris Day and their shared decades of patient care.
Skin as your largest contiguous organ
Day argues the skin drives metabolism, hormones, and health, not just appearance.
Perimenopause's first clues in the skin
Breakouts, dryness, and itch as early, non-specific signs of estrogen depletion.
Estrogen receptors: brain before skin
How the brain grabs available estrogen while skin receptors quietly decline.
Losing 30% of collagen and UVA damage
UVA, matrix metalloproteinases, and the collagen math of the post-menopause years.
A 'different beautiful' with age
Bone and fat changes, the uncanny valley of over-filling, and restoring balance.
Protein and building from the inside out
Why high-quality protein and strength training underpin skin and structure.
Facial posture instead of face yoga
Lifting from the ears, finding a new neutral, and training resting expression.
Hyaluronic acid and the limits of fillers
Humectant versus injectable, cross-linking, and why fillers can't truly lift.
Sugar, alcohol, and GLP-1s
Inflammation, shrinking recovery margins with age, and eating more good than bad.
The three-bite rule and a dark-chocolate ritual
Satisfaction over restriction, plus dark chocolate and creatine in morning coffee.
Hormone therapy and topical estrogen
Day's advocacy for menopause hormone therapy and her topical estradiol study.
The mTOR pathway and fibroblast renewal
TORC1 versus TORC2 and the research behind rejuvenating tired fibroblasts.
Rapid-fire essentials and the 10-step myth
Hydration, retinoids, simple routines, sleep, and consistency to close the show.
